Category: Aging

Season 5 | Episode 3.5 | The Turn On x Jacquelyn R.

12/8/2021

"Born a Crime: Stories from a South African Childhood" by Trevor Noah | Bookshop | Amazon
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TRANSCRIPT
Kenrya: Come here. Get off.

[theme music]

Kenrya: Hey y'all. Today, we are talking to Jacquelyn R., pronouns she and her. Jacquelyn became the sole caregiver for her mother, Lynn, and grandmother, Joyce, in 2016 after a faulty furnace leaked carbon monoxide into her family home, causing both to develop Alzheimer's disease. Wow. She began documenting her journey on YouTube and TikTok under the handle Mom of My Mom. She's since been praised by Teepa Snow for her devotion to implementing fun and creating joy around the task of caregiving. Her TikTok has gone viral many times amassing over 580,000 followers and receiving over 80 million views. With this platform, she hopes to bring to light the challenges that caregivers face. And as a TV writer, she hopes to bring these relatable stories to screens around the world. Thank you so much for joining us today.

Jacquelyn R.: Thank you for having me.

Kenrya: Yeah.

Erica: So Jacquelyn, I am so happy and proud to be one in the 580,000, and I probably added two of that 80 million views.

Kenrya: Right.

Erica: Yeah. Because I just adore what you're doing. First, what did you want to be when you grew up?

Jacquelyn R.: Man. Okay. Prior to starting, I just like to start out by saying that I stutter. And so, just so that people who hear this know that their phone is okay or someone is okay. But me, when I was a child, what did I want to do when I grew up? I wanted to be recognized, but I think that that came from this needing to feel known and wanting me to feel important.

Jacquelyn R.: And I think because I was an only child, I just veered towards TV, partly because as a child who stuttered, no one wants to hear you. And so, wanting to be heard was what made me want to work in TV. I wanted to perform, which I don't want to perform at all anymore, but that, I honestly think, stemmed from feeling like no one heard me, or it took me too long to talk, or I think that was just me projecting, but I wanted to be Raven-Symoné.

Kenrya: Raven-Symoné was that girl when we was little.

Jacquelyn R.: Yeah. I was like (singing). She sang also. She had a rap tape and I had the tape.

Erica: Oh, I remember. I remember.

Jacquelyn R.: And I play the rap tape all the time.

Kenrya: Right? I don't think I knew she had a rap tape. I knew she sang.

Erica: Oh, she did.

Kenrya: Because by the time she hit Cheetah Girls, I was aged out.

Erica: “That's what little girls are made of.”

Kenrya: I don't know nothing about that. Yeah.

Erica: I totally remember that. Totally remember that.

Jacquelyn R.: I was like, people listen to her and she's everyone's sweetheart. And so, I was just, "That's what I want to be."

Kenrya: Aw.

Erica: You unlocked a memory back there with that-

Kenrya: Raven-Symoné rap tape?

Erica: ... Raven-Symoné rap tape. Maybe not a lot...

Kenrya: You probably got a bunch of people googling right now.

Erica: Yeah. Okay. So how did you get from little Jacquelyn, star of stage and screen as a young'un, to where you are now?

Jacquelyn R.: So my mom fostered it a lot. She knew... She was like, "All right. You want to be in TV?" That's a lot. So she would actually take me out of school sometimes, and then we would go see live tapings.

Kenrya: Oh wow!

Jacquelyn R.: And so, we would see that, and we saw “Moesha,” we saw “The Parkers,” and so on. And so, what I...

Kenrya: That's that little Black TV renaissance.

Jacquelyn R.: Yeah. Yeah.

Kenrya: Yeah.

Jacquelyn R.: And she was like, "I'm taking off work."

Erica: Yeah.

Kenrya: Yes.

Jacquelyn R.: "You don't have to go to school today."

Kenrya: I love that.

Jacquelyn R.: And so, that kind of showed me that there's jobs everywhere. You don't have to star. You can write, you can be behind the camera. And so, that's when my mind started to change a bit, and then I started writing. And so, that's sort of how it all happened. For college, I moved across the country, and that's where I was like, "I'm staying here." I loved it on the East Coast. I was like, "The East Coast is me." It was just everything.

Jacquelyn R.: And I ended up getting a call in 2016 while I was on the subway saying that, "You need to fly home. There is something wrong." And I flew home and the mortgage hadn't been paid for months and there was rotting food, and I just came home to a complete mess, and I was just kind of like, "Okay. I can't, in good conscience, not stay home."

Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Jacquelyn R.: And so, that's pretty much how it happened. But living on the East, it just gave me that time to figure out who I am and not have my mom just like, "What are you doing? What's happening?" all the time.

Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Jacquelyn R.: And so, I really do appreciate that time because it let me really grow into who I am. And I think I'm able to make the content because I come from this sense of knowing who I am, but not needing it to be about me, which is its own journey would take care of someone also.

Kenrya: Yeah.

Erica: Mm-hmm (affirmative). We actually touched on that in the last episode, because both Kenrya and I are not from the D.C. area, which is where we live now. And it was so important to get away from your family because I think Kenrya said in so many words, she was trying... She knew that she had to leave her hometown in order to become-

Kenrya: Absolutely.

Erica: ... the person she wanted to. And I guess I did too. I just knew that I needed to... My family was getting on my nerves, in less beautiful words. I know I had to get away from them in order to figure out who I was and what I wanted to be. Yeah. We totally get that.

Erica: So we asked you on the show because the story that we read last week, "You Make Me Feel," centers on someone who had to return home to take care of their family. So can you tell us a little bit more about getting there, being back home adjusting, and recognizing your new role, and what does that look like now?

Jacquelyn R.: Yeah. I don't even think I recognized my new role. I think I fought it, actually. I probably fought it for about a year and a half, but I came home. The house was messy, and that's not my mom. She make up her bed every day, make sure the house is tidy type. And to come home to see it, it was just really daunting.

Jacquelyn R.: And then to get home to my grandmother and for her to not recognize me, but then to be somewhat violent also like, "Get out of my house." I don't know. The knowledge that I'd lost my grandmother without knowing that I lost her sort of hit. And I think the mourning of that was very instant, but it also couldn't continue because I had to then start making sure that they were fed that they had people to come in.

Jacquelyn R.: If I couldn't hire anyone, then I was the one taking care of baths and medicines and doctor's appointments. And there were weekly doctor's appointments. And so, it just literally became my new job. And it gives you no time to mourn. There is no time to adjust.

Jacquelyn R.: When someone's going to have a child for nine months, you're sort of like, "Okay. I'm about to have this baby," and you sort of like set it up mentally, and there was no time for that. And so, I don't know what happened in all honesty. It was a blur. It's still somewhat a blur, because I felt like I was swimming, just trying to stay afloat.

Kenrya: Yeah. Wow. So in the book that Erica just mentioned, one of the characters, he actually was saying he had to go home because there were some family stuff going on. And one of the things that he really struggled with was reconciling the parent that he knew as a child with the parent that he was interacting with today.

Jacquelyn R.: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Kenrya: Does that ring true with your experience at all as an adult returning home?

Jacquelyn R.: Yeah, absolutely. Naturally, the relationships with your parents change, and it's actually more of like a joyous, "We can drink now. We can talk about life now." And because my mom wasn't that far, it became a battle of like, "How much do I take care of my mom? How much do I let her still do her own thing?"

Kenrya: I'm sorry. It's okay.

Jacquelyn R.: Now even, the lines are a bit more clear. I have taken on the role of mom, but I still struggle with wanting my mom also.

Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Jacquelyn R.: So I don't think that it's clear cut. I think that it changes all the time and that you're still longing, and you still want someone to call and be like, "There's this boy I'm talking to, but I don't know if I should," or da, da, da, da, da, but you don't have that anymore. And so, I'm still trying to actually figure it out and come to terms. But for the most part, I am the mom to my mom.

Kenrya: I think that's interesting because I think when people think of adults who are caregiving with their parents, so often the focus is on the work of it all. But I don't think that we know necessarily think about the fact that there is that mourning in that loss of that person and the dynamic in that relationship that you had.

Kenrya: My grandmother had dementia for the last few years of her life, and you're taking me back to the first time I went to visit her and she thought I was somebody else. And I was like, "No, it's me. This is my kid," and she cussed me out and told me that I was wrong. My grandmother was a cuss-you-out person anyway.

Jacquelyn R.: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Kenrya: But eventually, either she remembered who I was or she just told me she did. But just remembering that day, I had flown home to see her and she... Because I had been calling and it was hard on the phone because she was also hard of hearing. And so, you had dementia on top of difficulty hearing, and her normal cantankerous nature and it never worked. And I'm just remembering that that was the moment I was like, "Oh, this relationship has changed," and you're living in that every day. And I know that that's tough.

Jacquelyn R.: Yeah. It gets harder other times, and it's harder some days more so than others. I do think that Mom of My Mom is a way for me to cope also. Me figuring out hacks or tips and tricks that help me to then help other people is a way to also detract from the sadness of like, "Wow, my mom's at this stage now." It's very abstract because moments come when I am really sad. There's at least one week per month where I'm just kind of like, "Is this really happening?"

Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Jacquelyn R.: Because I have also been raised up in the "Work hard and hide your feelings in the amount of hours you..."

Kenrya: Yeah.

Jacquelyn R.: It's all connected, which is also why I think Mom of My Mom is doing well because I do tend to hide my sorrow in my art. But it's a way to cope. There's no right or wrong way to cope, especially when something like this. And so, I just think whatever gets you through the day.

Kenrya: Yeah.

Erica: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yeah. So why do you find it important to share your experiences via social media?

Jacquelyn R.: Social media has been a large part of my life for forever, so I think partly because I was a person who stuttered, and clearly I still stutter, but my stutter was very severe. When MySpace came out, I was like, "Is this a way I can interact with people, and I don't have to always talk all the time?" And I really, really hooked on to social media as a way to get out who I felt that I always was.

Jacquelyn R.: And so, it's always had a very special place for me. However, while caregiving around year two, I was at my wit's end. I was having migraines all the time, my hair was falling out, my cycle was fluctuating from stress. And one day, I got in my car and I drove to a mental health hospital, and I just sat in the car and I cried.

Jacquelyn R.: And I was like, "If I check myself in, who's here?" And I just sat in the car and I just cried and I cried and I cried and I cried and then I stopped, and I was like, "Take your ass back home." And so, I went back home. And not too soon... Excuse me.

Jacquelyn R.: Soon after that, two of my friends gifted six months of therapy to me. And once I did that, and having a therapist really share with me that, "You deserve to have help. You shouldn't be doing this by yourself." She re-instilled that, "You're worth living. You should have your own life." And just knowing that I got to that point that low, low, low of just thinking that my entire life is now dedicated to caring for someone who's sick and not the enjoyment of just living.

Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Jacquelyn R.: I knew that there had to be other people who had been to that depth, and I just wanted to create some sort of space where I could be like, "Hey, this isn't who you are. This is a part of your journey. It's not the totality of who you are. And if you need someone to talk to, here I am." That's kind of how it started.

Kenrya: Wow. So it really came down to creating a community.

Jacquelyn R.: Yeah.

Kenrya: Yeah. Wow. I'm wondering what... You were saying earlier, and we read it in your bio, that you've been working to bring joy into this space. What does that look like for you?

Jacquelyn R.: Honestly, it looks like whatever I'm interested in. My mom wants to do whatever I want to do, which makes it easy. But then on top of that, joy, for me, looks like me not constantly thinking, "Is everything okay? What do I need to fix? Do I need to do this?" which is why I try to find hacks so that I'm not thinking about, "Is the water in the bathroom running all night?" So I'm not like waking up at 2:00 AM just checking it.

Kenrya: To check it? Yeah.

Jacquelyn R.: Yeah. And so, joy for me is also like, "I hope she's not using the paper towels all night," which is putting them in a place where I don't have to then worry. The more that I can free up mental space, the more that I can even create joy. And so, joy for me is dancing with my mom. Joy for me is going out on a date.

Kenrya: Yeah.

Jacquelyn R.: Joy for me is hiring someone and then being like, "You take that over right now and I'm about to go do whatever." There's so many ways to create joy within it, and I create joy for my mom, but in the same vein, I'm creating joy for myself because I deserve it.

Erica: Yes.

Kenrya: That's right.

Erica: Yes. Yes. What is your favorite thing about this chapter of your life?

Jacquelyn R.: Oh man. When something... This experience, I feel, has taken me to the darkest place that I could ever imagine. But climbing out of that and then being on top of it, it really does make you feel like, "Who going to check me, boo?" Like, "Who going to do..."

Erica: Yeah. “I did this shit.”

Kenrya: Right. Yeah.

Jacquelyn R.: I did. And so, I love the confidence that has come from it. I love knowing that whatever task someone puts in front of me, I've done things 10 times harder. And so, it's the personal development that I enjoy. It's changed me as a person overall. I'm not the same person. It's made me more compassionate, more empathetic. It's made me slow down because I was just always like, "Da, da, da, da, da. I lived in New York City. We go here."

Erica: You know what, I was going to say, "You're so New York."

Kenrya: Yeah.

Jacquelyn R.: I'm in New York. I was like, "I'm in New York. I'm staying in New York forever." But it's really forced me to just kind of like slow down and be more intentional. And when you take more time, it's easier to be more intentional and to just kind of like make sure that exactly what you're saying is exactly what you mean.

Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Erica: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Jacquelyn R.: Though I get caught up with messaging and trying to answer everybody and it just becomes a bit much. Had this happened prior to the situation, then I wouldn't know what to do. Yeah.

Erica: Yeah.

Kenrya: Wow. So you mentioned earlier that one of the things that brings you joy is going on dates.

Jacquelyn R.: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Kenrya: I love if we could talk about, what does maintaining or creating those type of relationships look like while being a caregiver?

Jacquelyn R.: It's been a lot of different things. I've been learning as I go actually. And I've come to the conclusion that I have to choose to take the time to go out on dates. However, I only feel good about making that time for someone if I've vetted them in a reasonable enough way to be like, "All right. I don't mind making time to spend time with you."

Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Jacquelyn R.: Looking cute and so on. But a part of me also likes the getting cute part because that's not in my job title. And so, I enjoy that, but then I'm also learning to not tell guys about Mom of My Mom at all. I don't share socials at all because I think it becomes an unfair advantage of you learning so much about me.

Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Jacquelyn R.: And the truth is most men really don't get what it means to take care of someone who has dementia until they see it for themselves, so I don't really spend tons of time trying to explain it either. I think it'll come when it comes. If the person is in my life at an amount of time where I share it, then fantastic. However, for the most part, they find out when they find out.

Erica: Yeah.

Jacquelyn R.: And if I want to make time, then I will make time. And if I end... Yeah. Yeah.

Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Erica: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yeah. I totally get you on the "It's an unfair advantage when you talk about sex every week consistently and anyone can google it." I find myself one day, it seems like, "Oh, so you like consent? You like being tied up?" And you're like, "Yeah."

Jacquelyn R.: No, this wasn't for you. This wasn't for you.

Kenrya: Right.

Erica: Yeah.

Kenrya: My goodness.

Erica: This was not for you. Mind your MF-ing business. What do you wish more people knew about caring for a parent?

Jacquelyn R.: OMG. Yeah.

Erica: You got a list?

Jacquelyn R.: It's a mixture of the way that you were cared for as a child, so if there's trauma, if there's any kind of stuff. I honestly think that the way that we care for our parents mimics the way that our parents care for us. If our parents didn't do a great job, then... And we choose to then take on the task of caring for our parents, then we're going to need therapy. We're going to need to let go of some trauma. We're going to need to work through whatever it is that we went through as a child with our parent.

Jacquelyn R.: No fault of their own, sometimes fault of their own, but I think having the understanding that our parents are human too. They went through their own stuff, and being able to forgive that and then move forward is one of the biggest things that I think people should know prior to taking on this task, but that takes self-awareness... A lot of it too. And so, you can't ask that of everybody, but that's what I would say is the biggest thing. It's also very time-consuming. Very. And it's not for everybody, and I don't judge people who choose not to.

Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Erica: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yeah.

Kenrya: I mean, that's interesting. It makes me kind of think of the... I was just talking to somebody about this, about the cultural piece of that and how different cultures in this country tend to take care of our elders in different ways.

Jacquelyn R.: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Kenrya: And I think there's absolutely an expectation in Black families that this is what you do.

Jacquelyn R.: Like, the expectation of it too.

Kenrya: Yeah. Like, "Oh, okay. We don't put our people in homes. We take care of our folks," without always a consideration of the fact that... I don't know. I guess there's levels in terms of the amount of care people need and the... Yeah.

Erica: Your capacity and...

Jacquelyn R.: No, absolutely. I don't think that this is a job that should be dumped on anyone. I think that we, as a society, need to plan better for our senior care. We to plan, save up. We need to talk about end-of-life care sooner so that things like this just don't get sprung.

Jacquelyn R.: And on top of that, I think it should be an understanding that it's no one's obligation to care for you. Just because you chose to have a child, does not mean that that child is then obligated to now take care of you. I think it's a beautiful return and it's a lovely way to appreciate that parent. But please believe that if my mom didn't care for me the way that she did, I wouldn't feel the desire to return it.

Kenrya: That's real.

Jacquelyn R.: Yeah.

Erica: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yeah.

Kenrya: Hindsight, being 2020, is there anything that you would do differently in this journey?

Jacquelyn R.: Yeah. Yeah. I would've done therapy much sooner. I would've asked for help. Not just ask for help, because I can ask for help. What I talk about with some people in the community is that sometimes you have to guilt people into... Because people don't get the amount of work that goes into caring for someone who has it until they actually do it.

Jacquelyn R.: And so, me talking about my mom sneaking out at night or da, da, da, da, da, it doesn't affect you as much as you laying in bed at 2:00 AM and hearing the front door swing open.

Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Jacquelyn R.: And I think that people need to live it in order to feel the amount of fire under their feet to then help. And I wish I would've put that fire under my family's feet much quicker because it takes a village.

Erica: Definitely. How can we better support people that are doing this work?

Jacquelyn R.: Good question. Share Mom of My Mom. I super, just, appreciate that more so though because I know that people are looking for a community that understands them. And most of the time, caregivers suffer from loneliness and isolation. However, on top of that, call, send a house cleaner. Just say, "Hey, there's someone I hired. They're going to come at 10:00 AM. They're going to da, da, da, da, da." Great. Send food.

Erica: Yeah.

Jacquelyn R.: Send a check, pick up the phone. There's so many ways where you don't actually have to be there that are so helpful. Oh my God. If someone just was like, "I hired someone to come clean your house for an hour," that would've been the bee's knees, but different things like that have been so helpful to me, and I know would be very helpful to other caregivers also.

Kenrya: All right. What's your superpower?

Jacquelyn R.: Resilience.

Kenrya: Yes.

Jacquelyn R.: Yeah. I keep going. I'm just like... Part of me feels like there's no way that I was meant to experience this level of pain to just be like, "All right. That's it." There has to be something else. There has to be something to come out of it. There has to be something to share, to help, to make sure that someone else who is like, "I can't get out of this." Then I'd be like, "You can, you can. I promise, I promise."

Jacquelyn R.: And so, I do think that I have a high level of resilience because there's something greater than what's in front of us. And if there's not actually something greater, then I'm going to make it something greater. There's going to be something greater.

Erica: Exactly. Yes. Yes.

Kenrya: Word. Are you reading anything right now? Do you have time?

Jacquelyn R.: Yes. I read a lot of funny stuff. My last favorite book was Trevor Noah's autobiography titled “Born a Crime,” and it's such a fantastic way to tell a story how a mixed child born in apartheid, how it structured how he just sort of like moved in the world. And since he's a comic, he just makes it silly. And Jenifer Lewis, hers was also like...

Kenrya: Oh yeah.

Jacquelyn R.: And she narrated it also. And so, if you ever just need the audiobook to hear Jenifer Lewis narrate her own story, it's so good.

Kenrya: I did the audio for it too. Did you see it?

Erica: That's hard.

Kenrya: Yeah.

Erica: Yeah. Yeah. I had to, because I'm like, "I need to hear her."

Jacquelyn R.: You have to hear her.

Kenrya: It is the best.

Jacquelyn R.: Yeah. It was good.

Kenrya: Probably my favorite audiobook experience was her book actually. It's so good.

Jacquelyn R.: For sure. One of the greatest audiobooks.

Erica: So one of my favorites, but you know what was a surprise? Bobby Brown's autobiography.

Jacquelyn R.: Ooh.

Kenrya: Oh yeah?

Erica: He read it himself also. And it was just... Yeah. It was nice hearing Bobby Brown talk about this shit.

Kenrya: Yeah.

Erica: Yeah.

Jacquelyn R.: I could use one now.

Kenrya: Oh, yeah.

Erica: Yeah. Please. It was good.

Kenrya: I don't think I knew he had one. That's awesome.

Jacquelyn R.: Yeah.

Erica: Yeah. It was good. It was good.

Jacquelyn R.: He has a crazy life.

Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Erica: Girl, yeah.

Kenrya: Didn't think so much. Yeah.

Erica: So what's turning you on today?

Jacquelyn R.: Ooh. I get to see bae tonight.

Kenrya: Yes.

Jacquelyn R.: So I'm dating someone more seriously right now, which is really nice, different, and cool. And I'm discovering that dating someone who isn't trying to live in my house is great because I get a vacation.

Kenrya: Yes.

Erica: Yes.

Jacquelyn R.: Go away! And every time, I'm just like, "I'm about to get in my car and come to you." That's my turn on. I'm like, "That's what gets me all hot and squishy."

Kenrya: “I'm on my way.”

Jacquelyn R.: I'm like, "I'm on my way."

Erica: You don't have to make up the bed there. You just get to...

Jacquelyn R.: No.

Erica: It's like a little hotel stay. I love it.

Jacquelyn R.: Exactly. I just walk on in.

Kenrya: I'm in for it.

Jacquelyn R.: ... to just, "Hey, let's just watch TV. I don't care what we do. Let's just do something."

Erica: Yeah. That's great. Okay. So we're going to do a quick word association. I am going to tell you a word and you tell me the first thing that comes to your mind. Joy.

Jacquelyn R.: Ooh. Crab legs.

Erica: Yes.

Kenrya: Ooh.

Erica: When you crack it-

Kenrya: I'm so hungry.

Erica: ... and it comes out with all the...

Jacquelyn R.: [crosstalk 00:41:37] the whole thing.

Kenrya: When you ain't fuck it up. Yes.

Jacquelyn R.: Then it's good.

Erica: Yes. Okay. Family.

Jacquelyn R.: Mom.

Erica: Freedom.

Jacquelyn R.: Ooh. Just, sex.

Erica: Yes.

Kenrya: Yes!

Jacquelyn R.: Yeah.

Erica: I love it.

Jacquelyn R.: But not... Yeah. Just...

Erica: Wild sex.

Jacquelyn R.: Yeah! Just in it. Not thinking about nothing else.

Erica: Yes. I love it.

Kenrya: Yeah.

Erica: Okay. Surprise.

Jacquelyn R.: Direct deposit.

Kenrya: Oh.

Erica: Ooh.

Kenrya: Yes.

Jacquelyn R.: Yes.

Erica: That is good!

Kenrya: I like all your answers. I identify with them all.

Erica: Yes. And last, beauty.

Jacquelyn R.: Heart.

Erica: Okay.

Jacquelyn R.: Yeah.

Erica: Yeah. That word association alone has me on the seat of my pants, on the edge of my seat, excited about whatever it is you were going to be writing and producing, because I'm like, "Oh, this is going to be good. It's going well."

Jacquelyn R.: It's going to be for me.

Erica: Direct deposits and crab legs.

Jacquelyn R.: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Crab legs.

Erica: And wild sex.

Jacquelyn R.: Money, wild sex. That is my aesthetic, so yes.

Erica: Yeah.

Kenrya: Yes. And speaking of which, what's next for you? What are you working on? What can folks watch, follow? All of that.

Jacquelyn R.: Yeah. So Mom of My Mom is my main thing right now. However, I just recently got signed to a manager for TV writing, which is something I've been working on since I've moved here trying to reestablish. And so, I'm really excited about that. And so, I'm just trying to sell these scripts. That's pretty much what we're doing right now, trying to sell these scripts.

Jacquelyn R.: And I have this one story that circles around a community of people who care for their loved ones. And so, that has no crab legs yet, but I'm definitely going to put it in there. However, it has a lot of sex and heart, and I'm excited for that.

Kenrya: That's what's up.

Erica: Great.

Kenrya: So where can folks find you so that they can keep up with everything that's going on and join the community?

Jacquelyn R.: Appreciate it. Mom of My Mom, so you can find us @MomOfMyMom on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, and MomOfMyMom.com.

Erica: TikTok. Yeah.

Jacquelyn R.: TikTok.

Kenrya: I want to say TikTok.

Jacquelyn R.: Yes. Especially TikTok, we are all over that. And so, Mom of My Mom. Mom of My Mom.

Kenrya: Word. Yay. Y'all go follow. And Jacquelyn, thank you for joining us today.

Jacquelyn R.: Thank you for having me.

Kenrya: Yeah. It was a lot of fun.

Erica: Yay!

Jacquelyn R.: This was lovely.

Kenrya: Yeah, it was. Yay!

Jacquelyn R.: Thank you for this moment.

Erica: Thank you for making it happen. Yeah.

Kenrya: Thank you for saying yes. All right.

Jacquelyn R.: Of course, of course, of course.

Kenrya: Well, that's good. That's it for this week's episode. Thanks to everyone for joining us and we'll see y'all next week. Bye.

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