Category: Glenise Kinard-Moore

Season 5 | Episode 2.5 | The Turn On x Glenise Kinard-Moore

11/24/2021

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TRANSCRIPT
Kenrya: Come here. Get off.

[theme music]

Kenrya: Hey, good people. We are back for another week of your favorite show. Today, we're talking to Glenise Kinard-Moore, pronouns she and her. Glenise is the founder of SkiiMoo Tech and the creator of the VDOM. The VDOM is the first app-connected prosthetic genital device that can go from flaccid to erect at the push of a button. An information security consultant by profession and an ambitious tech creative at night, Glenise is a self-reclaimed tech nerd, and she likes to say that her superpower is breaking apart many things to create new things.

Kenrya: Yo, one of my questions was going to be what's your superpower? You just ruined it, it's fine. The VDOM is said to be available to consumers in the fall of 2021. Now, by the time y'all listening to this, it's out. That's what's up. Thank you for coming on the show.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Thank you for having me, I appreciate it.

Kenrya: Absolutely.

Erica: Okay. We are going to jump right on in. What did baby Glenise want to be when she grew up?

Glenise Kinard-Moore: The crazy part is I wanted to be an architect, but I could not draw for shit. I could not draw. I used to make these houses and be like, "Mom, dad, doesn't this look great?" They'd be like, "You're 12 and this look like a mess."

Kenrya: They were done with telling you what you wanted to hear by then.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Sincerely. After I put that down, I definitely wanted to be a professional basketball player. I played basketball since I was five all the way through college, but I blew out both my knees. Then I had to pivot again to figure something else out.

Erica: Ooh.

Kenrya: Damn.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Finally, I chose profession of marketing and PR. I did that for about four and a half years after leaving college. Yeah, history is made after that.

Kenrya: Word. I did marketing, PR, too for a while.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: It's a burnout.

Kenrya: How you get from there to here? How you get from-

Glenise Kinard-Moore: That part.

Erica: I'm like, yeah..

Glenise Kinard-Moore: History was made from there. As we mentioned PR marketing, it takes a special person to be in it for longevity and I'm not special clearly. About four and a half years [inaudible 00:02:39]

Erica: In another way [crosstalk 00:02:42]

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Clearly. Four and a half years in and I was over it. I did a complete career change. I thought I wanted to work in healthcare. I worked in healthcare operations for about five years and was like, "You know what, let me stop being intimidated by what I really want to do," which was get into information security. I took a leap. I knew somebody that knew somebody. I was able to apply for a job that I was completely not qualified for and…

Kenrya: Word to white men. [crosstalk 00:03:13].

Erica: White people do it all the time.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: I was like, "Shit, everybody else doing it, I'm going to do it too." I got in there, learned what I needed to learn and self-taught all the way through. Made a career out of it.

Kenrya: Wow.

Erica: What's your favorite thing about what you do?

Glenise Kinard-Moore: It's a neverending story. It's never a dull moment. It's so interesting and because technology is always at the speed of light, with advancements, it's never a dull moment. I'm the type of person that I like to learn constantly. I go on vacation, not to vacation, but to learn new cultures and eat new foods and learn new people. I constantly like to learn. That's probably why I'm so attached to this. What did you say? I'm sorry, Kenrya, what did you say?

Kenrya: We couldn't go nowhere together because I like to lay on the beach and eat.

Erica: Yeah. I'd be like girl, you know they can Uber that shit to the beach.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: I know. It's so funny because my wife is the same way. We like to get out, hit the streets, discover new stuff.

Kenrya: That's good.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Then one of our homeboys that we travel with all the time, he wants to stay at wherever our vacation house is. By the pool for the entire week or two that we're there.

Kenrya: Yes.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: I'm like, I feel it-

Erica: That's my boo right there.

Kenrya: I respect those of you who want to explore. I think it is fantastic that you want to learn new cultures. I just be so tired.

Erica: Yeah. I feel like... For me, I feel like that's rich people shit, you vacation enough where you're like, "I'm all relaxed. Now I'm going to go expose myself." No, I need to... This shit coming around like the full... Not the full moon. Hailey's comet. It ain't coming around you soon. Now that I'm out, let my ass sleep.

Kenrya: Exactly.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: I feel you on that. To be honest though, since I've started this company, it has changed a little bit.

Erica: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Dead ass, we went to Mexico maybe back in April, March. My wife made me go on a vacation because I've been working seven days a week around the clock for two and a half years now since I started this project. She made me go on a vacation and we did not leave that house one day out of the entire week that we were there. That was the first time ever...

Kenrya: Good.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: First time ever.

Erica: Okay.

Kenrya: You needed it, sounds like.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Yeah, clearly.

Erica: You came back refreshed and ready to tackle more of the VDOM.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Secretly, I kept working while I'm on vacation. Every time she would take a nap.

Kenrya: I hope you listening and you hear this mess.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Sincerely. That's my secret, it's out now, but yes.

Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Erica: Okay. What's the most challenging thing about what you do?

Glenise Kinard-Moore: The most challenging thing is honestly learning as I go. If we're talking about VDOM and the product business, it's definitely learning as I go. I am not an engineer by trade and... Well, not by anything, but-

Erica: By spirit.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: By spirit alone. I'm not a doctor, I'm not a chemist, and I've had to learn a little bit about all of these things. Then on top of that, I had to learn how to be a CEO. I wasn't a CEO before. Never been one before didn't go to business school. I had to learn all these things as I went and as I'm banging my head against the wall, I had to learn and pivot. I didn't have time to cry about it, didn't have time to go read a book, or go to school or take a class. That's probably been the most challenging thing. Then ups and downs. One, in the morning time you could get some great news and by noon it's all hell has broken loose. Yeah, that part is emotionally draining.

Kenrya: Would you change anything about the way that you did it?

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Oh, for sure. There's so many things I probably would've done differently if I would've known better. For one, I joke about this all the time, but a lot of people who say that they're going to start a business or be an entrepreneur, first thing they do is go get a domain. Second thing they do is go get a t-shirt and a logo. They do all this shit.

Kenrya: Yup.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: That is so fucking irrelevant to what you really need to do to get from point a to z.

Erica: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Glenise Kinard-Moore: There's so many things I would've done different at the beginning. I started marketing and all this shit before I even finished my product. So much shit that was so unnecessary because I thought it was the way, in the steps, to do certain things because I was always on the opposite side of the table, not this side. I just did a lot of shit wrong. A lot.

Kenrya: Then those things are already done. Then you don't got to do them later.

Erica: Yeah.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Now that is a true statement. I'd rather have known in the beginning than be at year two right now, getting ready to go to market and still learning small rookie. Yeah.

Kenrya: Exactly, yeah.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: For sure.

Kenrya: We talk about sex on this show. We are wondering what was the prevailing attitude about sex in your home growing up?

Glenise Kinard-Moore: That's so funny. I answered this question the other day and my family, of course, I mentioned I grew up in Alabama. Good old fashion, South, Bible belt. My family is... I was the only one actually born in Alabama out of my other two siblings. Everybody else is from Mississippi and New Orleans. Let's get even more deeper south.

Kenrya: That's both sides.

Erica: I'm going to double down.

Kenrya: My mom's side is from Alabama, my dad’s side is from Mississippi. That is... I'm understanding.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Exactly, so you already know where I'm going with this.

Kenrya: Yes.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Half of the family is super religious, quote, unquote. The other half is off the chain. That's pretty much how my parents are, but not the whole total religious part. My dad was a little bit more conservative. My mom was like, “Fuck it. Y'all are going to have to learn someday.” She would be the one to say certain things and my dad would cringe. Like, "Why did you say that?" She'd be like, "You know what you did last night." He's like, "Oh my God, don't say nothing to the kids." This is the kind of household that I grew up in. To be honest, it leaves a mark on you, regardless of the fact, because you have this one person who you look up to saying, no don't say types of things.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Don't display certain behaviors. Then you have this other person who's a complete opposite saying, "Hey nah, let it all hang out. You need to know now before you learn in a terrible way later." That was the dynamic growing up in our house. It was so funny because even certain content that was left around. I remember we found a... Me and my sister found a sensual massage book with all these naked pictures in it. We were so excited. We were like, "Whose book is this? Which one of y'all did it?" It was the best book. It was weird and interesting and confusing at the same time.

Kenrya: Yeah. Wait, but you said it leaves a mark on you. I'm wondering, how do you think that impacts the way you move through the world? How does it impact your work, right?

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Heck yeah.

Kenrya: Yeah.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Yeah, had a huge impact. It had a huge impact on, especially for someone who identifies as a lesbian woman. It took me years to come out and actually be who I was first and foremost. When I finally actually came out and started to come into my own, from a sexuality standpoint, it then took years for me to actually get in tune with my body sexually and understand what I like, what I didn't like. I was trying to find conforming boxes to fit in, from a sexuality perspective, because I felt like I was wrong already for being a lesbian woman. It was so many dynamics. It goes back to, again, “Don't say certain things, don't do certain things, don't display certain types of behavior.” At the same time, something in me was like, “Nah fuck that. Be who you are. Be yourself.” Again, it was why my two parents and those are the impacts of things. Parents have no idea how they fuck up their kids sometimes. We listen to everything. Right. We listen to everything.

Erica: Shit, in passing. Yeah. He was like, "Damn."

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Just in passing. Right.

Erica: Yeah.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Yeah. It took until I was maybe 25, 26, 27 before I actually really, truly started to embrace myself. It wasn't until I started to create this product that I really said fuck it and let go. Yeah.

Kenrya: Wow.

Erica: Yeah. Okay, so about this product. When Kenrya and I were... When we first read the book, we were like, okay, we need someone to... We need to talk to someone that combined sex and tech. Then we went down our rabbit holes. I'm telling you, our Google searches are wild, but anyway. We found you and this amazing ass technology, which is so fucking cool. Explain it, tell us about it. Brag on yourself a bit.

Kenrya: Yes.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: I... Shit, after the way I feel this morning, I'm about do that shit today.

Erica: Yes.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: No, but seriously, basically the VDOM is... We call it an app-connected prosthetic genital device. That is because we're trying to make sure that all the ears that hear it actually hear it and don't get caught up on what exactly it is and what it does. Then also, because we see it as a lifestyle product and not a sex toy, or pleasure product. Basically, long story short, it is a spin on a traditional strapon. Instead of having a one size fits all, one phase, one motion device, we created a device that included the implementation of electronics into a traditional strap on. You now have the ability to go from flaccid, soft to hard, with the push of a button. We app connected it because one of the nuances we were trying to kill with traditional strapons is the fact that it's so awkward.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: It's so incredibly awkward putting one together. I guess assembling one, wearing it, it's so many awkward things with it. We try to take all the awkward pieces out of it. We didn't want people having to put their hands in their pants to flip a switch. It was 90% of the time, even during intimate moments, people have their cell phones in their hands. In some form of fashion, they're changing music, they are peeping over when they get a little bored. There's so many... 90% of the time. We were like, "Hey, let's make a remote control on that mobile app and call it a day." That's pretty much what it is. It is electronic form.

Erica: You are so dope that you even... That you were like, "we going to do this thing. We might as well make an app." Who the fuck does that? Especially with a fucking marketing and PR background. Yeah, you're dope as fuck. This is-

Glenise Kinard-Moore: I appreciate that.

Erica: Amazing.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Appreciate that.

Kenrya: Yeah, and yo when you go to the site, I love that the default is the Black one.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Oh yeah.

Erica: Yes.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: For sure.

Kenrya: Folks be trying to pander and they... White is mainstream, whatever the fuck bullshit because white supremacy. I was like, look at that Black strap.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: First... We first had the first images come out. It was actually a white colored version, but that was because the background was dark and we wanted to make sure that it illustrated... You were able to see the motion of the actual device because it was 3D.

Erica: Oh.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: It wasn't because we were trying to do anything crazy. I was like... I said it, I was like, "What? That ain't got shit to do with it. I'm a whole Black ass woman" You know what I'm saying? I ain't got shit to do with shit. But it was purely lighting contrast.

Kenrya: Listen, my Black ass was very happy to see that the Black was not the alternate color because so very often that's how things are presented, right? The white is the default. I was like, yes for the default.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: No, when we started testing our silicons, the first thing we started with was making sure that we had the best pigmentation for Black people first, honestly.

Erica: Oh.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Then we worked our way back. It was... I ain't even going to say that. Yeah. I'm going to say that shit.

Kenrya: Yes.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: It was so funny because when we got to the white pigmentation, it was so hard to figure this shit out. I had one of our engineers, I'm like, “Man, I'm so sorry bro, but I need to put this shit up against your skin so I can work this out." He was like, "No problem.” Because I can't figure it out now I'm like, "See, okay cool. Let's do this."

Kenrya: We all got to know what we can do.

Erica: Exactly, right.

Kenrya: Can we talk about... I think when I first read about this, when Erica found the article during our search, it talked about the applications of use for folks who don't have an appendage who want to use one. Also, I'm thinking about the broader audience that can use this. Can we talk about the applications of this for disabled folks?

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Absolutely. This is probably honestly one of the proudest things that I am happy about with this product. It's always said, if you don't have to be in someone's shoes, if you haven't lived a certain type of lifestyle, you have no clue about it. It doesn't come to your mind at the forefront when you are doing certain things, whether it's baking a cake or making cookies. I actually... When I was going through the research process and really understanding what the market is for this product, I was strictly focused on the LGBT community. When I started to do more and more research, I started getting all these emails from people with disabilities who were just like, "Oh my gosh, I need this because I have this," or, "Oh my gosh, this is amazing. I've been trying to find something like this because I have a spinal cord injury and I can't have sex with my wife, like I usually would." Blah, blah, blah.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: I was like, "Holy shit. I didn't even think about this." I actually pulled in a consultant who specifically is disabled themselves. All they do is provide consulting work for sex toy, sex companies.

Kenrya: Wow.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: We had the greatest conversation and I was like, "Whoa, there is a whole different group that needs this product. Let me do a little bit more digging." The more digging that I did, the more I started to reshape how the product is actually built, so it could be a really viable solution for those who have physical disabilities. Right now we have men, women, heterosexual, lesbian, queer, it doesn't matter, that need this product because they have a physical disability or they've had genital injuries. Didn't realize how many people actually had genital injuries. There's tons. Yeah.

Kenrya: Wow.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Yeah.

Kenrya: Wow.

Erica: Wow.

Kenrya: Yeah.

Erica: Okay. We asked you on the show because we read this book “Stiff” and it features this woman who uses technology to connect with sex partners. It's a lot more than Tinder, but... A lot more sophisticated than that. She visits this sex club and they use tech to kind of make the check in and the process of connecting seamless. What makes sex and tech excellent partners?

Glenise Kinard-Moore: I say this, my own personal opinion, but technology is always advancing. Humans coming into their own sexuality and coming into what truly pleasures them is starting to change as well. It's starting to become more advanced. People are being more vocal about it. I think that they're interlined with, "Okay, now there is a whole different aspect of life that can now attach to technology." The other piece of that is that technology fits into every single thing that we do on this earth, whether we're going to the bathroom or whether we are going through a line in a cafeteria. Technology is influencing in some form of fashion in that way. Why not with sex? It's now finally starting to be the intersect.

Erica: Yeah.

Kenrya: Makes sense. This kind of builds on that, as Erica was saying, in the book they have of these tablets and things to help them along. Erica and I have both been to sex clubs and we're like, "Yo, this shit would actually be really dope if this is what they were." Instead of these ashy places that we've done been to. I'm wondering, for you as someone who was really sitting at that intersection of sex tech, what is the future of that look like to you? In your wildest dreams?

Glenise Kinard-Moore: For sure, remote sex is definitely going to be a hitter. It showed us, during COVID, it spiked the sex tech industry by 155% alone for purchases because of remote sex. It's being taken to a whole different world, which to me is actually a good thing. You are reducing a lot of risks that's associated with, more so, in person sex because people are seeking their pleasures. If you have this more remote world, you could still seek those pleasures. They're remote now. I think remote sex is going to be definitely the future for us. Specifically, with what I'm working with, it's more connected to teledildonics, if you're familiar with that. Basically it's... teledildonics is basically remote devices that could be controlled by someone who's in a different area or different place. It's a connection via wi-fi. I think that is truly going to be the future. It's actually a piece that's the future of the VDOM as well. We're already working on technology for it. Yeah, I think that's probably going to be the number one for sure.

Kenrya: Right.

Erica: Okay. How does being a Black lesbian impact the way you work, you approach your work?

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Two-sided coin. One is, it was created out of necessity for me. I wanted to be able to have sex anytime, anywhere with my wife. As a lesbian woman, we use strapons all the time within our bedroom. It was like, "Hey, let's take the thing that we could use outdoors. Let's make sure that's better." The other side of it though, it is absolutely fucking hilarious to set up a meeting with a VC, walk through the door and say, "Hey, I'm trying to make the most incredible dick ever." You could imagine how many layers of shit I got to get through.

Kenrya: Yeah.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: With this conversation. Getting their minds to focus on the business instead of the fact that there is a lesbian, Black woman sitting in front of you saying that she's trying to make the best penis in the world. Those are two folds for sure.

Kenrya: Yeah.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Okay.

Kenrya: That actually plays into our next question, which I was going to say, there are not a lot of Black women in tech. There's definitely not a lot of Black women or gender nonconforming folks for that matter in sex tech. What is your experience being one of the few.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Yeah. I know all of them.

Kenrya: You're like, “We got to text group.”

Glenise Kinard-Moore: For real, though. We got a text group.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: That's the first piece of it. I think I truly... I'm not going to say I think. I know for a fact that the way each one of us have entered into of this industry and that... We come... We're diverse with even our Blackness. It's so dope because each one of us have a whole group of people behind us that are Black, lesbian, whatever, older, younger, women or people of color, that are coming behind them. That are saying, "Oh, okay, she's 60 years old and she's in this industry and she's doing great. It's awesome." She's got a whole bunch of other 60, 50-year-old women that are coming behind her saying, "Shit, let me get into this." You got somebody else that is 22 years old and is a sex blogger and really sex blogs on technology and the intersection between sex and tech.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Now she has a whole bunch of 20-year-olds coming behind her saying like, "Shit, let me get into this." The same thing for me, I have a whole bunch of lesbians who are looking like, "Damn. I've been talking about this product for years, didn't know where to start." Now they know where to start. It's a whole bunch that's going to come behind me. I think that, even though it's 11 of us right now in the world, I think that this is definitely going to be the catalyst for really carving out the path. The future looks bright to me.

Kenrya: That's been a lot.

Erica: Good. What needs to change to get more queer Black folks in that room?

Glenise Kinard-Moore: I think it comes down to, any type of company, if you're creating products or if you're creating any type of solution for a certain person or a certain group of people. That person needs to be represented at the table at the decision-making space and hire people that reflect who you're trying to sell to. Period and point blank. I think it's moreso about representation.

Kenrya: You told us... We said in your bio that your superpower is breaking apart shit to create new shit. What does that mean to you?

Glenise Kinard-Moore: I am a super nerd. Even approaching creating a VDOM, I actually was looking at a remote control. Looked at the PCB board on that, which is basically the motherboard, looked at that and I was like, "Damn, I wonder if I could connect this to this HDMI cable." It didn't go down like that, but I took a... I was looking around the room and was like, how can I make this happen? It was by being able to say, "Okay, this function's this. I wonder, can I take that type of technology, put it in here? It needs to be super small. Then I need to go find this piece." That's how we approached it. With my engineering team, I took them the first draft and they were like, "How did you do this? You didn't go to school for engineering.” I'm like, "Man, look through some books and look around the room.” That's honestly my nerdism, sincerely. My wife is always like, "Why do you think like that?" I don't know.

Kenrya: It's confusing.

Erica: Right?

Kenrya: Word. What are you reading right now?

Glenise Kinard-Moore: I have a few. I finished two and I know a lot of people might give you shit about one of them. One of them is hustle hard... No, “Hustle Smarter, Not Harder” by 50 Cent. Everybody hates 50 Cents guts, especially right about now.

Kenrya: He's an asshole.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: He's a prick, but the dude's a genius as a businessman. He is a genius as a businessman. That's the only reason I read the book because I know what type of business person he is. I was wanting to peel back some layers in his brain. I read his book and that shit was amazing. I could read it three more times to be honest, from a business perspective.

Kenrya: I will say that-

Erica: Wow.

Kenrya: I know folks who worked with him on that book and who have worked with him in general. They're like, "That troll shit is whatever. He actually really has his shit together and he's really easy to work with."

Glenise Kinard-Moore: I believe it.

Kenrya: For what it's worth.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: I believe it. He's a totally-

Kenrya: Yeah.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: He's a totally different person. You can see it on the pages of his book. He knows what the hell he's doing.

Kenrya: Yes.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: That's the annoying part. One other book that I'm reading also, I started reading this one. It's called “Algorithms of Oppression” by Safiya Umoja Noble. Basically, it's about, which is a hot topic right now, it's about how the algorithms and certain types of technology are discriminatory against people of color. Facebook was thrown into the fire again because its face recognition technology tried to recommend seeing more Black men as monkeys. She pretty much talks about these types of discrepancies. Especially cause the government is starting to try to use facial recognition technology. It heightens... At heightened levels right now, they're so biased. Why would you take this as a government tool. When it's so biased and it's so incorrect. That's what she pretty much talks about in her book. Yeah.

Kenrya: Right. The government wants to do what it's always done.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Exactly.

Kenrya: It's biased to-

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Exactly.

Erica: Government's going to government.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Exactly.

Kenrya: Lord have mercy.

Erica: Glenise, what is turning is turning you on today?

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Let's see. How... I was about to say something wrong probably. I'm going to skip that.

Kenrya: There's nothing wrong on this show.

Erica: Ain't nothing wrong over here.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Okay, then honestly the first thing that came in my mind is that my wife bought these new pair panties. I... My wife doesn't wear panties, first off. Okay. She doesn't wear panties. Which I think it's so weird, because I'm like, "Oh my gosh, you cannot do that."

Kenrya: Mm-mm (negative).

Glenise Kinard-Moore: I've been wearing panties since I was nine.

Kenrya: That's my friend.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: She bought these new pair panties. She only sleeps in them and they were awesome. She woke up this morning and I woke up and I was like, "Those are some great panties." Yeah. Anyway, it was the first thing that came to my mind, my bad.

Kenrya: Bitch what are you apologizing for? That's a great thing.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Because its random.

Kenrya: That's a great thing.

Erica: That is why we asked that question. That is why we ask that question.

Kenrya: It shows.

Erica: I love it.

Kenrya: It shows there are so many different things that can turn us on at any point in any given day and everybody is different. You could be different today than you are tomorrow and yeah, no.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Real talk.

Kenrya: Yeah.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: That was the first thing that came to my mind.

Kenrya: Love it.

Erica: Good. Okay. Quick lightning round, it's going to be either or. Okay?

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Okay.

Erica: Netflix or YouTube?

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Netflix.

Erica: Facebook or Twitter?

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Twitter.

Erica: Music or podcast?

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Music.

Erica: Bath or shower?

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Shower, for sure. I hate taking showers. I hate taking baths, period. I do.

Erica: Yeah. Oh, you're talking about generally?

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Yeah, in general. I do.

Erica: It's not your favorite thing.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: It's the most inconvenient bullshit ever on earth. That is a true statement. Yeah.

Erica: You stand by it.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Stand by that shit.

Erica: You like getting your groove then you're like, "Ugh. Got to go wash my ass."

Glenise Kinard-Moore: I got to get wet, I got to lay out a towel and some soap. Who got time for this shit? I got to dry off.

Erica: Okay.

Kenrya: I understand. Yeah, that was a nerve. That's how I... I have eczema, so that's how I feel about the fact that I now have to sit and lotion because I can't be ashy. I be itchy. I legit have to every time, it's a whole situation. I do understand.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Whole inconvenience situation, but you got to do it.

Kenrya: You have to, I need y'all listen to us. You have to.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: [inaudible 00:32:42]

Erica: Hey it's fine. Okay. Movies at home or in the theater?

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Ooh. Movies at home for sure. Yeah.

Erica: Yeah.

Kenrya: Yeah.

Erica: Okay. Last one, beer or wine?

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Beer.

Erica: Or water. Oh, okay.

Kenrya: All right.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Definitely beer, fuck wine.

Erica: Okay.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: I don't have [inaudible 00:33:13] Yeah, no seriously beer.

Erica: Are you a fancy beer drinker? Are you like, “I have an IPA with the such and such?” Or would you drink Bud Light, like me?

Kenrya: She's like, "Not that far."

Glenise Kinard-Moore: I'm not even going to front though. The only reason I stopped drinking this beer is because it was making me look damn near pregnant on a regular basis. I was nowhere near pregnant. Ice House, that was my junk beer that I loved for some...

Kenrya: I've heard of Ice House, but I never had it.

Erica: No, uh-uh (negative). Nope, you don't-

Glenise Kinard-Moore: You should not.

Erica: Ice House is... Ice House to beer is tang to orange juice.

Kenrya: Oh.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Yeah. That was a good one. That was a really good description.

Kenrya: She's really good at analogies.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Yeah.

Kenrya: Excellent. That was great.

Erica: Can't do math, but I can do an analogy.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: You and me both. It's cool. Join the club. Can't count for shit.

Erica: You're the damn engineer over here, the tech guy.

Kenrya: What did she say? Engineer by spirit.

Erica: By spirit.

Kenrya: We got to pay attention.

Erica: All right I got it.

Kenrya: The question is what's next for you? We know VDOM is coming.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: VDOM is coming. We are weeks away. They are actually... We finally made it into production. We were supposed to be in production in April and all hell broke loose, lessons learned. We pivoted, we're in production now, and we are a few weeks away. We are already starting to work on the technology for the next versions of the VDOM. There's... Right now, there's actually four in the pipeline.

Kenrya: Wow.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: The version that is coming out now is a base version and then we're adding some stimulation for the primary user. Then we're all... We're actually adding some more simulation for the external user, the secondary user. Then we're off... We're actually adding some more things to the mobile app as well. Then there's the future of VDOM, that's even more. I really, again, love technology.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: One of the things I've been fascinated by is brain computer interfaces. After, really talking with the disability community and talking with consultants, I really want to go deeper into the world of prosthesis and technology and see how we can combine the two. To give people who don't even have certain stimulation pieces, stimulation by connecting the technology to their brain via sensors, via different types of technology. That's the true depth of VDOM and I can't wait for that piece. Got to get it out there first.

Kenrya: Damn, yeah.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Yeah.

Kenrya: That's what's up. Word. Where will people be able to find VDOM?

Glenise Kinard-Moore: As of right now, in the first six months of the release of the product, it could only be purchased from our website. Which is www.TheVDOM.com, and we are currently now starting to have conference with retail outlets and distributors and seeing if we're going to open that door. As of right now, it's a little bit further in the future, so only through our website.

Kenrya: Right. The VDOM... T-H-E V-W-O-M... Nope.

Erica: W?

Kenrya: Listen, okay, stop it.

Erica: It's all good.

Kenrya: T-H-E-V-D-O-M.com.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: You got it.

Kenrya: Okay.

Erica: Okay.

Kenrya: That was hard, lord have mercy. I'm not even going to do the next part. Tell people where you are on Twitter, IG, and Facebook.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: For sure. On IG, you could find us at the T-H-E.V-D-O-M on IG. Then on Twitter and Facebook, you could find us at @VDOMATL

Kenrya: Dope.

Erica: Okay.

Kenrya: Okay. Y'all go follow find more information, get your joint as soon as it's available.

Erica: I feel like we're at the beginning of some really big shit. Remember you heard about the VDOM on The Turn On.

Kenrya: Exactly. Yeah.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: For sure.

Erica: I'm the cousin that showed up at the end. Don't forget us.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: I dig it.

Kenrya: We out here like we did something.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: I dig that.

Kenrya: Yo, but on that note, thank you so much for coming on the show. We had a ball.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: Appreciate y'all for having me, seriously.

Kenrya: Fun times. Yay. Thank all of y'all for listening. That is it for this week's episode of The Turn On. We'll be back next week. Yeah. Yeah. Bye.

Erica: Bye.

Glenise Kinard-Moore: See ya.

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